Are Starbury and Kyrie two boats passing in the night, or on the same boat asking for a trade to another boat. Both amazing talents, but when you look back on their careers, they didn't make as much of them as they could have. Now that I think of it, the Grant Hill and Derrick Rose parallel universe works too.
With all the talk of including RJ in this trade, I have a question. If an organization as miserably run as the NYK have been over the last 20 plus years came to the Knicks and said we will give you our 2027 and 2029 unprotected firsts for RJ, would you do it ?
Sorry just getting to this now...ummm...I'm not gonna lie, I'd think about it, probably to my detriment. I think ultimately I'd say no, but it would be an incredibly difficult decision. I am also higher on DM than consensus and (slightly) lower on RJ than most fans (and a little higher on him than general media consensus).
Always a great read! Interesting, traded for Gobert while possibly flipping Towns to recoup capital and anoint Edwards as the rightful king. Very GoT of you. W/o actually looking myself, no Starbury or Jimmy Butler on this list of traded youngsters? Alternate question, who are the young talents not to have made any all star squads in their mid twenties, but made multiple times after being traded? Could RJ or Obi lead that list one day? Last thing, Mourning didn't make it til 28?! Shows the strength of the position during his time.
Will definitely do a list at some point of guys who became all stars later...Jimmy qualifies here, as well as Lowry. Starbury only made 2 ASG's by 25, which is why he wasn't included.
The Knicks had their chance to draft a star multiple times when they had high draft picks and just kept whiffing. Donovan, SGA, Mikal Bridges, D. Garland, Desmond Bane, on and on. Leon has done a good job overhauling front office talent. He needs to fix his talent evaluation team and he needs to hire an elite shooting coach for this team.
Would have loved Bane....but they did get Obi and Quickley in that draft which was hardly a failure. Still I wonder if they could have found a way to trade back into the draft to get Bane...or imagine if they would have drafted Haliburton instead of Obi (though at time I was not a fan of Haliburton...boy was I wrong!) and Bane instead of Quickley.
Same can be said of every team. Knicks haven't made any crazy selections over the last several drafts except not picking Halliburton, and everyone is on the Obi subway train round these parts anyway.
This was really well said Robert. Number 8 would be to get this deal done the Knicks will likely need to give up 3 unprotected first round picks, 2 firsts that they win from other teams and 1-2 swaps + Cam and Fournier Even if this does not include one of their prized young players (Obi, RJ, Grimes, Quick) -- It’s just too much for a flawed star (small, not a great passer, not a great defender).
If they could break Ainge and do it for 2 unprotected, 2 from other teams and 1 swap + Cam and Fournier, then I’d take the risk and so do the deal. This is still overpaying ( it’s been said a million times but the crazy Gobert return has made all trades overpriced) but it’s with the gamble.
Belatedly, wanted to say how much I appreciated this list and why it all makes great sense. It really just comes down to how much an organization values getting their hands on a premier (top-10) offensive engine, and how hard/unlikely the path otherwise would be, AND how much they're willing to overlook the particular issues that come with THIS offensive engine.
Are Starbury and Kyrie two boats passing in the night, or on the same boat asking for a trade to another boat. Both amazing talents, but when you look back on their careers, they didn't make as much of them as they could have. Now that I think of it, the Grant Hill and Derrick Rose parallel universe works too.
LMAO on the boat comment. I needed that today.
Would Lamelo Ball be an option?
Check out today's pod. Had a Hornets guy on who says they're already getting worried about him as a flight risk down there.
With all the talk of including RJ in this trade, I have a question. If an organization as miserably run as the NYK have been over the last 20 plus years came to the Knicks and said we will give you our 2027 and 2029 unprotected firsts for RJ, would you do it ?
Sorry just getting to this now...ummm...I'm not gonna lie, I'd think about it, probably to my detriment. I think ultimately I'd say no, but it would be an incredibly difficult decision. I am also higher on DM than consensus and (slightly) lower on RJ than most fans (and a little higher on him than general media consensus).
Always a great read! Interesting, traded for Gobert while possibly flipping Towns to recoup capital and anoint Edwards as the rightful king. Very GoT of you. W/o actually looking myself, no Starbury or Jimmy Butler on this list of traded youngsters? Alternate question, who are the young talents not to have made any all star squads in their mid twenties, but made multiple times after being traded? Could RJ or Obi lead that list one day? Last thing, Mourning didn't make it til 28?! Shows the strength of the position during his time.
Will definitely do a list at some point of guys who became all stars later...Jimmy qualifies here, as well as Lowry. Starbury only made 2 ASG's by 25, which is why he wasn't included.
The Knicks had their chance to draft a star multiple times when they had high draft picks and just kept whiffing. Donovan, SGA, Mikal Bridges, D. Garland, Desmond Bane, on and on. Leon has done a good job overhauling front office talent. He needs to fix his talent evaluation team and he needs to hire an elite shooting coach for this team.
Would have loved Bane....but they did get Obi and Quickley in that draft which was hardly a failure. Still I wonder if they could have found a way to trade back into the draft to get Bane...or imagine if they would have drafted Haliburton instead of Obi (though at time I was not a fan of Haliburton...boy was I wrong!) and Bane instead of Quickley.
Same can be said of every team. Knicks haven't made any crazy selections over the last several drafts except not picking Halliburton, and everyone is on the Obi subway train round these parts anyway.
This was really well said Robert. Number 8 would be to get this deal done the Knicks will likely need to give up 3 unprotected first round picks, 2 firsts that they win from other teams and 1-2 swaps + Cam and Fournier Even if this does not include one of their prized young players (Obi, RJ, Grimes, Quick) -- It’s just too much for a flawed star (small, not a great passer, not a great defender).
If they could break Ainge and do it for 2 unprotected, 2 from other teams and 1 swap + Cam and Fournier, then I’d take the risk and so do the deal. This is still overpaying ( it’s been said a million times but the crazy Gobert return has made all trades overpriced) but it’s with the gamble.
Belatedly, wanted to say how much I appreciated this list and why it all makes great sense. It really just comes down to how much an organization values getting their hands on a premier (top-10) offensive engine, and how hard/unlikely the path otherwise would be, AND how much they're willing to overlook the particular issues that come with THIS offensive engine.