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ML Nairne's avatar

Once again you are spot on! Thank you for backing up what I see with the eye test. True confession I've never been a Randle fan even watching him as a Laker. I've always felt he was a good role player or a solid 3 on a good team. I was not happy when he was signed by the Knicks but two seasons ago I was pleasantly surprised that he developed an outside shot which obviously elevated his game and my opinion of his game. Like many I bought his rhetoric that he watched film and recognized his weaknesses and he was a changed player. That year he still had mental lapses but the good far out weighed the bad. Last year he totally reverted back to his past play and it was distressing to realize Knicks had four more years of this guy. This year he looked like he was trying to play the right way but with his success he further lapsed into his hero ball play on offense and the indifferent defense much too often to be on the court that long in games. Thibs contributes to the BS with his minutes distribution. It's obvious that Thibs must adjust his thinking to the talent and the chemistry of the team. Cam is the most athletic and complete Wing who at 6'8' with long arms needs to play more to help with the defense. Cam is just raw and needed to stay at Duke another year to further harness his offense. It's difficult for players like him to mentally adjust lto understanding his strengths, weaknesses and earn in the Pros what he needed to learn at the lower levels. The FO needs to put the brakes on any Cam trade and focus on moving Evan. Thibs needs to cut back Randle's minutes and sit down with him privately and go over the video pointing out his defensive lapses and poor offensive decisions because the Knicks will likely not get value for him right now and he could contribute to a better team.

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I hear you about the defense vs Boston and agree to a certain extent about effort and execution, etc. However, the Celtics and Knicks both had great shooting games. Both shot the ball better than they normally do. The Celtics had 88 FGA and 12 FTA. They took 51 3's and made 27. Celtics shot 53/53/100. The Knicks had 90 FGA and 16 FTA They took 27 3's and made 11. Knicks shot 51/41/94. Celtics had 12 turnovers and Knicks had 13 turnovers. We beat the Celtics on the boards and still lost the game by 15 points.

I think the biggest factor was difference in coaching philosophy. See athletic article Joe Mazzula likes math https://theathletic.com/3746993/2022/10/31/math-favors-celtics-joe-mazzulla/ We literally just beat the 76ers the previous day playing a small ball lineup. Thibs says you win or you learn. It would be nice if we could win and learn. Proving that we won and didn't learn, Thibs played two traditional centers 41 minutes and prioritized protecting the rim in a game where the Celtics played 48 minutes without a traditional center and were focused on playing a 5 out offense / shooting threes. Hart played 38 minutes and didn't take a 3. Obi was our leading 3 point shooter going into the game, had a fantastic game against Philly and he only got 15 minutes where he was 1/5 from 3.

Brunson, RJ and Randle had good nights when Mitch was not in the middle clogging up the paint. I don't think this is at all surprising. I hope Thibs uses the time while Mitch is out to allocate the center / PF minutes to Obi, Hart, and Randle so that Obi gets at 30 minutes / game so (a) we can see what we have with the kid and (b) so we can try to run the type of small ball offense / defense that teams that win in the playoffs / compete for championships play.

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